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| 08:27:58 | Xabby77 | hello |
| 08:29:52 | larsbot | hi there, Xabby77 |
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| 08:35:26 | Xabby77 | i was writing a part of the thesis , i would appreciate if you can say if is wrong what i wrote or not is just a few phrases |
| 08:37:47 | Xabby77 | can anyone controll it ? :) |
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| 14:02:25 | lheuer | Hi there! :) |
| 14:07:50 | larsbot | hi there Lars :) |
| 14:09:49 | lheuer | Hi other Lars! ;) |
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| 17:33:06 | uebera|| | Hi there. :) |
| 17:41:59 | lheuer | Hi Markus! :) |
| 17:56:22 | uebera|| | I love websec -- now I'll never miss a single change within the ISO/IEC 13250-n documents again :D ... |
| 17:57:25 | lheuer | :) |
| 17:57:58 | lheuer | BTW: There is also a RSS feed for the doc repository |
| 17:59:00 | lheuer | Hmmm... but it doesn't help |
| 17:59:02 | lheuer | :) |
| 17:59:19 | uebera|| | I see. But there are other pages that don't have one and I prefer to have a unified solution for all of them. |
| 17:59:50 | uebera|| | Aside from that, using websec, all changes are highlighted. :) |
| 18:00:25 | lheuer | Just for the record: The RSS helps. I read it not carefully :) |
| 18:03:36 | lheuer | * lheuer follows the sun |
| 18:03:40 | lheuer | Bye! :) |
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| 18:04:29 | uebera|| | Hm, if I recall correctly, Ikarus once did that, too... ;) |
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| 20:10:44 | Xabby77 | hello |
| 20:12:01 | uebera|| | Hi, Xabby77. |
| 20:13:02 | larsbot | hi there |
| 20:13:13 | Xabby77 | how are you? |
| 20:13:21 | uebera|| | And hi, Larsbot. :) |
| 20:14:30 | uebera|| | * uebera|| is working to full capacity as usual. :) |
| 20:15:22 | Xabby77 | ehehe |
| 20:15:54 | Xabby77 | i written down the part of my thesis about topic maps ....the powerfull and the limits of topic maps |
| 20:16:31 | Xabby77 | what is the difference beetween reification and the use of tamplates? |
| 20:17:52 | uebera|| | Counterquestion: how do you define "template"? :) |
| 20:18:34 | Xabby77 | yes but the difference is just logical :) |
| 20:21:17 | Xabby77 | by the way i looked to the schema created by the omnigator of my topic maps.....cannot modify it because i think it use all external templates..... so when i call the association 1:1 it call an external templates |
| 20:21:20 | Xabby77 | am i wrong? |
| 20:22:37 | uebera|| | Sorry, I still haven't had the time to look at it. |
| 20:22:59 | Xabby77 | no problem :) |
| 20:32:00 | larsbot | I have the same problem as uebera||: I don't know what you mean by templates |
| 20:33:57 | Xabby77 | templates are topic created are recalled in a topic maps for example |
| 20:34:27 | Xabby77 | a tamplate can be country ...... USA is a topic of kind country |
| 20:38:53 | larsbot | country is a topic type, I'd say |
| 20:39:15 | Xabby77 | ye |
| 20:39:23 | Xabby77 | sec |
| 20:42:28 | Xabby77 | http://www.ontopia.net/topicmaps/materials/allegro.pdf |
| 20:42:35 | uebera|| | Hm, do you refer to http://www.ontopia.net/topicmaps/materials/allegro.pdf (--> 3.2. Topic map templates)? |
| 20:42:40 | uebera|| | Yes, you do. :D |
| 20:43:01 | Xabby77 | yes :) |
| 20:43:08 | Xabby77 | that is why i was a bit confused :) |
| 20:43:56 | larsbot | ah, I see |
| 20:44:15 | larsbot | templates were being pushed in 2000-2002 as a kind of weak schema mechanism in Topic Maps |
| 20:44:21 | Xabby77 | yes |
| 20:44:33 | larsbot | there were some tools that used them, but they were never standardized, and nobody ever wrote up any really good explanation of how they were to be used |
| 20:44:46 | larsbot | reification, however, is something completely different |
| 20:44:47 | Xabby77 | OSL use them |
| 20:44:55 | larsbot | OSL does not use templates; OSL is a real schema language |
| 20:45:04 | larsbot | an example of a template would be if I wrote |
| 20:45:15 | Xabby77 | yes lars but the free version use templates |
| 20:45:27 | larsbot | no, sorry, not in the sense that the Allegro paper uses the term |
| 20:45:28 | larsbot | employed-by(person : employee, organization : employer) |
| 20:45:41 | larsbot | this association would be a template, but it's also just a normal, straight topic maps association |
| 20:45:47 | Xabby77 | yes |
| 20:45:58 | larsbot | it's the fact that it's relating two topic types that tells you that it's meant to be a template |
| 20:46:08 | larsbot | however, what the template means isn't really very well defined anywhere |
| 20:46:16 | larsbot | also, you can't specify cardinalities and that sort of thing |
| 20:46:39 | Xabby77 | yes that is why i was a bit confused :) |
| 20:49:05 | larsbot | it is a bit confusing, yes |
| 20:49:10 | Xabby77 | but when i open the .osl file i was looking at the association i created.....there where also other association called for example "has strict cardinality" that where referring to an external locator that is why i thought OSL was using externtemplate for express this kind of cardinality at least on the free trial version but maybe i am wrong |
| 20:50:29 | Xabby77 | this is from the .osl |
| 20:50:53 | Xabby77 | maybe i spam.... is a problem? |
| 20:52:02 | uebera|| | if the example is too long, you probably could upload it somewhere and just post the url in here. |
| 20:52:26 | Xabby77 | ok |
| 20:52:32 | Xabby77 | i will do in that way |
| 21:00:23 | larsbot | Xabby77: the similarity between OSL and templates is that they are both ways to do constraints |
| 21:00:35 | larsbot | and, yes, an OSL schema is a set of external constraints |
| 21:01:07 | larsbot | in the sense that the constraints sit outside the topic map |
| 21:03:14 | Xabby77 | thx larsbot |
| 21:03:53 | Xabby77 | this clarify a bit of thing |
| 21:05:10 | Xabby77 | but is hard to write down different constraint from the defaults 1 without tools to help |
| 21:11:01 | Xabby77 | that is the link of the osl file. That is completly differente from the opera.osl where for example <role min=1 max=1> is explict completley diffent from the same role express in my osl where this kind of cardinality is present but not express in the same way |
| 21:11:06 | Xabby77 | http://www.webalice.it/piero.crisci/asili.xtm.osl |
| 21:11:13 | Xabby77 | this if you want to take a look |
| 21:11:53 | Xabby77 | : afk |
| 21:13:45 | larsbot | this seems to be an OSL schema for Ontopoly's meta-ontology |
| 21:13:52 | larsbot | it looks like you don't have any topic types of your own in there |
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