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| 09:31:51 | Xabby77 | hello |
| 09:35:49 | Xabby77 | I always have new question hope this do not bother you. I have a conceptual question. For what i have understood topic maps give a great freedom on the rappresentation of the domain we want to describe.But the core of the topic maps does not support the possibility of express constraints that become necessarily for express the consistency of the Topic Maps. For this reason is under development the TMCL and also can be used the OS |
| 09:36:38 | Xabby77 | that give the chance to create a schema for express some of the constraits necessary for have a topic maps consistent |
| 09:37:03 | Xabby77 | am i right or i haven t understood nothing? |
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| 13:48:17 | Xabby77 | hello again anyone up? |
| 13:53:07 | uebera||reading | I guess someone is always listening (or reading the channel log afterwards) ... :) |
| 13:53:20 | uebera||reading | To answer your question from this morning: you are right. |
| 13:54:04 | uebera||reading | oh, btw: Hi! :) |
| 13:54:16 | Xabby77 | i was up but did not see any answer :( |
| 13:54:19 | Xabby77 | sotty :) |
| 13:54:22 | Xabby77 | sorry |
| 13:55:08 | Xabby77 | did you read my question before? |
| 13:56:04 | uebera||reading | Yes. Did you know about the channel log here --> http://www.ontopia.net/topicmaps/irc/irclog/ ? |
| 13:56:49 | Xabby77 | not sorry was my first time with irc |
| 13:57:30 | uebera||reading | Don't worry, you'll learn fast... :) |
| 13:57:31 | Xabby77 | ok didnt lnow about the log |
| 13:57:36 | Xabby77 | know |
| 13:57:41 | Xabby77 | ok |
| 13:58:02 | Xabby77 | i am getting mad with ontopia and topiuc map....yesterday i wsa checking consitency till 3 am |
| 13:59:07 | Xabby77 | well for me is not a problem maybe is a problem for the space in memory on the website |
| 13:59:43 | uebera||reading | I guess not. :) But it comes here handy if you post your email address, for example. |
| 13:59:50 | uebera||reading | s /here/in/ |
| 14:00:50 | Xabby77 | my email is picrisci@yahoo.com so if someone want to contact me to make me clear the topic all tips are welcome!!! |
| 14:09:09 | Xabby77 | [xabby]then there is the last part.........the re-engeneering of the ontologies |
| 14:13:08 | uebera||reading | I rad it. And you're right. |
| 14:13:12 | uebera||reading | s /rad/read/ |
| 14:14:08 | uebera||reading | You need the TMCL (which does not "quite" exist yet) or existing alternatives like the OSL to express constraints. |
| 14:19:43 | uebera||reading | There are other alternatives, but they're much more work: For instance, you could try to "embed" constraints within Topics and convert the part of the Topic Map you want to validate. That's what I am considering at the moment, but I still have to mediate on that... |
| 14:20:01 | Xabby77 | like template? |
| 14:21:25 | uebera||reading | Sure, you would have to use certain templates (or "patterns") for this in order to guide users that need to express constraints. |
| 14:21:44 | Xabby77 | yes but i need to do it manually right? |
| 14:21:52 | Xabby77 | there are no tools |
| 14:22:11 | uebera||reading | You have to create those templates manually, yes. They do not exist yet. |
| 14:22:32 | Xabby77 | can you make me an easy example so i can understand better? |
| 14:23:11 | uebera||reading | There are some articles by Anne Cregan and Bernard Vatant about Topic Maps and OWL. Do you know them? |
| 14:23:19 | Xabby77 | no |
| 14:23:31 | Xabby77 | i can check on google |
| 14:24:39 | uebera||reading | These articles won't provide an answer to your question but they present "paths" and problems if you want to convert between OWL and Topic Map representations. |
| 14:24:59 | Xabby77 | from owl to topic map and viceversa? |
| 14:25:48 | uebera||reading | No, they only show one direction each and, as I said, they only give you an idea. |
| 14:26:06 | Xabby77 | well maybe is enought :) |
| 14:29:18 | Xabby77 | yes i read last 1 |
| 14:30:43 | uebera||reading | However, if your thesis' deadline is near, I'd suggest that you read those articles, mention them, but first try whether OSL or AsTMa! will do. |
| 14:31:03 | Xabby77 | OSL with ontopoly right? |
| 14:31:19 | uebera||reading | Yes. |
| 14:31:25 | Xabby77 | i tryed |
| 14:32:27 | Xabby77 | OSL with free trial is really limited, the complete tool to create OSL is for payment in the pack that cost about 3000 euro |
| 14:33:19 | Xabby77 | the thing i triend is to see the OSL created for my topic maps ....and tryed to manipulate in manually.....but got problem with validation |
| 14:34:26 | uebera||reading | Did you use a simple enough example? |
| 14:35:10 | Xabby77 | 2 topic 1 associotian no role no scope |
| 14:36:18 | uebera||reading | I have to admit that I didn't use it yet (probably will have a look this weekend), but aren't there any examples on the net? |
| 14:37:20 | Xabby77 | yes 1 or 2 but not based on the schema created by onotpoly , maybe i need to export the topic maps without schema and create it by my self |
| 14:39:02 | uebera||reading | I'd do that, too, in order to learn to work with OSL. |
| 14:40:57 | Xabby77 | yes i think is the only chance , problem is the topic maps is a bit complicated are 50 topics 4 association and in particular i need to define intersection and union and limited cardinality .. with porteg? was easy wrote down a schema like this is not really easy :) |
| 14:42:31 | uebera||reading | Well, I'll happily review your solution(s)... :) |
| 14:44:00 | Xabby77 | thx i am gonna read this article look at ATmt and then decide what will be the best solution |
| 14:44:26 | Xabby77 | if you got some good idea while this period let me know :) |
| 14:44:52 | uebera||reading | ok. ;) |
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| 15:15:16 | lheuer | Hi there! :) |
| 15:18:05 | Xabby77 | hi lheuer |
| 15:20:01 | lheuer | Hi Xabby77! :) Do you make progress? :) |
| 15:20:12 | Xabby77 | mmmm |
| 15:20:29 | Xabby77 | not much i am reading article to make som e good idea |
| 15:21:06 | Xabby77 | uebera suggest me some good article i am reading them now |
| 15:22:12 | lheuer | Sounds not sooooo bad. :) Even small progress is progress. :) |
| 15:22:22 | Xabby77 | yes :) |
| 15:22:37 | Xabby77 | i am going to read cu later or have a nice weeken |
| 15:22:50 | lheuer | Same to you :) |
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| 17:13:22 | lheuer | Moin Markus! :) |
| 17:13:35 | uebera|| | Hallo, Lars. :) |
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| 18:01:02 | Xabby77 | hello |
| 18:01:07 | Xabby77 | i am back :) |
| 18:02:06 | Xabby77 | i was looking at the article about topic map on owl..... well i am not agree with it |
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