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| 10:03:47 | tomb | gday |
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| 10:34:39 | arnarl | mornin |
| 10:35:55 | tomb | hello arnar :) |
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| 10:50:47 | tomb | hello grove |
| 11:12:44 | grove_ | hi tomb! |
| 11:56:25 | GabeW | hi all |
| 11:56:29 | GabeW | its 3am here ;-) |
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| 11:59:30 | mariyo | tmbot: url: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2003-08-06#T14-54-17 |
| 12:06:29 | mariyo | tmbot: title: Extreme Markup notes from DanC: on Published Subjects, TM Patterns, LexusNexus TM use, tolog, Omnigator |
| 12:06:53 | GabeW | lexisnexis uses TM? |
| 12:07:29 | GabeW | mariyo: ... |
| 12:08:16 | mariyo | tmbot: comment: The TM and RDF groups need to get together and discuss these topics soon. |
| 12:08:30 | mariyo | hi gabe :) |
| 12:08:52 | mariyo | i will give you the link to eric's paper |
| 12:09:15 | GabeW | * GabeW has a law degree, knows a great deal about lexis-nexis |
| 12:09:22 | GabeW | * GabeW also was employee #1 at findldaw |
| 12:09:24 | GabeW | findlaw |
| 12:09:34 | mariyo | he reports on a project he worked on. eric freese works for lexusnexus |
| 12:09:41 | GabeW | cool |
| 12:09:44 | mariyo | * mariyo looking for link now. |
| 12:11:16 | mariyo | tmbot: url: http://www.mulberrytech.com/Extreme/Proceedings/html/2003/Freese01/EML2003Freese01-toc.html |
| 12:12:53 | mariyo | tmbot: title: Taking Topic Maps to the Nth dimension |
| 12:14:00 | GabeW | neet stuff |
| 12:14:41 | mariyo | tmbot: comment: Eric's paper shows that Topic Maps are really scalable, among other things :)) |
| 12:16:00 | mariyo | yeah, it was a great paper. i was able to speak with eric at length. he has lots of great ideas. |
| 12:16:00 | GabeW | people never believe me that the amount of data accssible on the internet increased 5x the day west publishing hooked up their services to the internet (same for lexis/nexis - probably more) |
| 12:16:25 | GabeW | i pick 5x randomly ;-) |
| 12:17:17 | mariyo | this is the biggest issue i face at work. i need to prove that tms are scalable for a knowledge portal. |
| 12:17:33 | mariyo | before anyone will take it seriously. |
| 12:17:39 | GabeW | heh |
| 12:18:10 | mariyo | btw, you have an xri draft up for review, don't you? |
| 12:18:17 | GabeW | why yes, we do! |
| 12:18:35 | tomb | hi gabew, mariyo :) |
| 12:18:53 | mariyo | hi tomb. do I know you? |
| 12:19:04 | GabeW | i don't ;-0 |
| 12:19:35 | mariyo | well, i see that you are in norway, so you must be a friend of larsbot :) |
| 12:19:46 | tomb | I don't think so - I've been working with ZTM (Zope Topic Maps) for a couple of years. I'm located in oslo, norway :) |
| 12:19:54 | GabeW | tomb: neat |
| 12:20:04 | GabeW | * GabeW hasn't worked with zope in a while |
| 12:20:10 | mariyo | oh, so you are a friend of arnarl :) |
| 12:20:37 | tomb | yep, we were (and will be again soon) colleagues |
| 12:20:50 | mariyo | do you know sakurai-san in japan? he leads the zope user group here. great guy |
| 12:21:30 | mariyo | i am waiting for some free time to learn zope, whenever that is. |
| 12:22:07 | tomb | i don't think I know sakurai-san... |
| 12:23:21 | mariyo | arnarl has had some contact. he is really enthusiastic about tm and zope. don't know if he is using it though. |
| 12:23:23 | tomb | zope is an excellent web-application server - ZTM is an CMF extention, making all TM elements managed content on the same level as everything else |
| 12:23:43 | mariyo | ZTM that is |
| 12:23:56 | mariyo | not sure if he was able to install and work with it. |
| 12:23:59 | tomb | there is a group in india working on Zope+TM as well, but I don't recall the name of the project |
| 12:24:40 | tomb | yeah, arnar and I have been working on easing the installation procedure - we're pretty close. We will put it on ztm.sf.net when it's ready |
| 12:24:51 | mariyo | has more documentation been written? i think that this keeps it from being using more widely. |
| 12:24:53 | mariyo | great! |
| 12:25:21 | mariyo | using/used |
| 12:25:57 | tomb | I've written some installation documentation, but we need some kind of developers docs as well. It follows the TMAPI specs as of last year... |
| 12:26:17 | mariyo | one the installation is made easier, than more people will use it, yes. good news. |
| 12:26:31 | tomb | but of course, there is a lot of other zope-related things and other stuff not in the TMAPI spec |
| 12:27:12 | tomb | yeah, we hope so :) so far we've used it to implement quite a few largish portal projects nationally |
| 12:29:08 | tomb | what are you working with? |
| 12:30:43 | mariyo | yeah, i have looked at the tm sites creuna has developed. really impressive. |
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| 12:32:15 | mariyo | i am working on tmcl requirements for iso, and in my company i am organizing an internal workshop on xml, knowledge technologies, web services and DBs |
| 12:33:10 | tomb | cool - spreading the gospel of tm :) |
| 12:33:13 | mariyo | web technologies community leader, sort of do tech watch stuff. |
| 12:33:18 | mariyo | exactly :)) |
| 12:33:41 | tomb | tmcl is really, really needed :) |
| 12:33:48 | mariyo | i am planning to write up a proposal for a project. i have lots of people routing me on :) |
| 12:35:13 | tomb | that's great :) |
| 12:35:56 | mariyo | yeah, that's why the creuna sites are important. need real stuff our there to show off |
| 12:36:34 | mariyo | larsbot included it in his tm presentation in japan last year. many were impressed. |
| 12:37:13 | mariyo | need real implementations. it helps with my case. |
| 12:37:37 | mariyo | GabeW: are you still there? |
| 12:38:07 | GabeW | yah |
| 12:39:00 | mariyo | I can get your xri draft? It's public? |
| 12:39:06 | mariyo | from your oasis web site? |
| 12:39:18 | GabeW | yah |
| 12:40:08 | mariyo | i have some time now and will take a look. bernard posted some things about it. i'll probably need to come back to you with many questions :) |
| 12:40:32 | GabeW | he did? where? |
| 12:40:59 | mariyo | i will send it to you. are you on our pubsubj-comment list? |
| 12:41:04 | GabeW | http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2003-08-04-a.html |
| 12:41:11 | GabeW | ah no |
| 12:41:24 | mariyo | thought you were and wondered why you didn't comment. |
| 12:41:41 | mariyo | i lurk on xri list as you know :) |
| 12:41:49 | GabeW | its not on the archive |
| 12:43:04 | mariyo | ok, will send to you tomorrow from work. i am not downloading my mail at home now because of the slew of viruses i'm getting. trying to work with only one computer for now. |
| 12:43:08 | GabeW | hehe |
| 12:43:27 | mariyo | i do irc and cvs from my good ol mac :) |
| 12:43:28 | GabeW | this was actually sent to the comments list? I wonder why it did'nt hsow up in the archive |
| 12:43:58 | mariyo | maybe it is in pubsubj try there |
| 12:44:15 | GabeW | i looked in both |
| 12:44:34 | mariyo | ok please wait for tomorrow. i won't forget :) |
| 12:44:39 | GabeW | k |
| 12:44:41 | GabeW | thx |
| 12:44:58 | GabeW | * GabeW eagerly awaits |
| 12:45:10 | mariyo | hehe :) |
| 12:45:46 | mariyo | bernard is trying to stir up some interest :)\ |
| 12:45:51 | GabeW | oh good |
| 12:46:15 | mariyo | please read my paper from extreme. i will post the url now |
| 12:47:16 | mariyo | tmbot: url: http://www.mulberrytech.com/Extreme/Proceedings/html/2003/Nishikawa01/EML2003Nishikawa01.html |
| 12:47:43 | mariyo | tmbot: title: A metadata network for bridging people and places |
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| 14:32:59 | larsbot | tmbot: url: http://www.y12.doe.gov/sgml/sc34/document/0439.htm |
| 14:34:18 | larsbot | tmbot: title: Montreal meeting report |
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| 15:19:46 | arnarl | interesting discussion on scope... Does the appendix represent the way scope will be structured in the future, or is it merely a suggestion (at least for now) |
| 15:20:35 | larsbot | it's just a proposal |
| 15:21:37 | larsbot | actually, we'd very much like to have people's feedback on this |
| 15:22:51 | arnarl | At first glance it seems a bit limiting, but I'd need to think it through. |
| 15:23:31 | arnarl | For instance: How do I determine which scopes should be grouped together in an AND/ORD group |
| 15:26:17 | larsbot | I think you've misunderstood the proposal |
| 15:26:29 | arnarl | probably :) |
| 15:26:42 | larsbot | scope becomes a boolean expression |
| 15:27:00 | larsbot | so you are not combining scopes, you are expressing the scope of a single topic name, variant name, occurrence, or association |
| 15:27:54 | arnarl | which is supposed to be matched against "user context"? |
| 15:29:50 | larsbot | correct |
| 15:30:29 | arnarl | I like it... that could actually suit us very well. |
| 15:30:50 | arnarl | very clever |
| 15:31:04 | larsbot | you don't think it's too costly to implement? |
| 15:31:13 | larsbot | performance-wise, I mean |
| 15:31:53 | arnarl | Nah, we need something like this anyway. |
| 15:32:24 | larsbot | that's useful feedback |
| 15:34:30 | larsbot | I've noted it in the tm-standards.xtm topic map, with a pointer here |
| 15:34:36 | larsbot | tmbot: url: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2003-08-06#T14-54-17 |
| 15:34:55 | larsbot | tmbot: title: Extreme Markup notes from DanC |
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| 16:46:21 | arnarl | * arnarl goes home, bbl |
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